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Brock Eldon's avatar

Ths is excellent.

Very solid work. It's airtight.

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Vivienne Helen's avatar

Wow! Powerful.

This came to me some time ago..and just now as i read your post...

"Human mental and physical constructs will destroy themselves."

Feels like that's happening right now.

I am on a regression journey...Thought Regression

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Christina Migone-Benfield's avatar

Amen to this>

"La joie est une résistance active contre les forces oppressives du contrôle, une réappropriation de ce qui nous est refusé par les structures de pouvoir."

And despite Heidegger 's vision, I agree much more deeply with your conclusion. Long live LIFE and human beings!

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Ashley M Graetz's avatar

Great article. I err toward UG KRUSHNAMURTI.

The plain fact is that if you don't have a problem, you create one. If you don't have a problem you don't feel that you are living.

U.G. Krishnamurti, No Way Out

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The Horn Gate's avatar

Thanks Ashley, great comment!

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Robert B Walker's avatar

I’m not persuaded by anthropomorphizing intellectual processes such as reasoning or logic. It might even be a category mistake.

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The Horn Gate's avatar

I'm treating reason not as an abstraction, but as something that has material effects, structuring consequences, and an evolving logic that might now be running without us.

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The Horn Gate's avatar

what I mean is: I’m not like literally saying reason is a person or god—but that it behaves like one. Like a cold angel, or sort of like a sovereign logic that’s begun to disentangle itself from us. What started as a human tool (an internal faculty) has become externalized/abstracted, and now stands in judgment of the human, us. It doesn't serve anymore. Rather it organizes, disciplines, corrects. It treats the rest of aus (the emotional, contradictory, embodied) like a beast to be tamed or discarded. I didnt mean to frame it like category mistake. Rather deliberately: what you could call an ontologization of estrangement. Systems of reason, production, language, power- I believe they don’t just manage life, they produce reality. just like in Deleuze: They create the very conditions under which the self is possible or impossible. So when those systems begin to exclude or automate the human, it’s not just political - it’s ontological. It's more of a poetic metaphor :)

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Robert B Walker's avatar

I’ll think about it but for you to say that must mean that there is a practical alternative. I think you see a disease or its pathological consequences but you focus on a symptom not the disease itself. I can almost see what you see but I think there is a mind or set of minds behind it. Perhaps like Nietzsche’s distinction between Christianity and Christ where the difference is the malign priest.

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John Gordon Sennett Sr's avatar

Almost 100 years ago, during the rise of the Third Reich, a book called "Slavery and Freedom" was released. Many of the themes you are touching on exist in that work (this is not a criticism but an acknowledgement of your very unique insight) . The context has changed as have the circumstances and the technology. However, it just proves that we have learned almost nothing as a species. If you can get around as my Ukrainian friends call it "Russian chauvinism" and some of the overtly Christian messages (you say you are not religious), I think you will be able to mine the gems that are there. The author of the work is Nikolai Berdyaev who is actually more Ukrainian than Russian and is misunderstood here because he fell for the Russian Imperial Messianic narrative. Other works that are excellent by him (I have read them all while being shot at by Russians) and am now rereading "Slavery and Freedom are "The Meaning of the Creative Act" (this one is especially applicable to your own path based on the material of yours that I have read so far) and also "The Beginning and the End which is eschatological philosophy. Anyway, keep up your inquiry, it's very much a pleasure to read and I am an old school book-in-the-hand kinda guy.

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The Horn Gate's avatar

what I mean is: I’m not like literally saying reason is a person or god—but that it behaves like one. Like a cold angel, or sort of like a sovereign logic that’s begun to disentangle itself from us. What started as a human tool (an internal faculty) has become externalized/abstracted, and now stands in judgment of the human, us. It doesn't serve anymore. Rather it organizes, disciplines, corrects. It treats the rest of aus (the emotional, contradictory, embodied) like a beast to be tamed or discarded. I didnt mean to frame it like category mistake. Rather deliberately: what you could call an ontologization of estrangement. Systems of reason, production, language, power- I believe they don’t just manage life, they produce reality. just like in Deleuze: They create the very conditions under which the self is possible or impossible. So when those systems begin to exclude or automate the human, it’s not just political - it’s ontological. It's more of a poetic metaphor :)

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John Gordon Sennett Sr's avatar

Yes and AI will soon enough come to embody it on a level that humanity would never achieve on its own.

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Jaap STIJL's avatar

Wow, this is a manifesto for our age—Tool-World is harrowing enough, but the real kick in the balss is the idea that even our dissent is metabolised by the system, that conspiracy itself is just nostalgia for a human-scaled world that no longer exists. Fuck what a final horror to deal with -- recognising the trap doesn’t free us, and yet, if there’s no escape, what’s left—resistance for its own sake, some new form of agency, or just singing anyway while the walls close in? I knew there was a reason to feel this heavy black weight but this confirms it...what work!

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Paul Dotta's avatar

What is it? I call it - I blame - Nature, a something so indifferent to everything in it that language fails to find a word to describe it.

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Susan I Weinstein's avatar

Living on the edge of paradox means hope is

Possible?

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