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Andrew Robinson's avatar

I really like this. Especially the rhetorical flourishes that add a certain charm to your writings. I think this is my favourite. That said, I have some observations (blame the philosophical training 😂) again just my opinion:

Firstly, there is a contradiction in your depiction of pleasure and antinatalists. At the beginning, you criticize modern society for being overly hedonistic, stating that "now we are all epicureans" who "live for the fulfillment of our pleasures." Later, however, you accuse antinatalists of being disciples of pleasure who avoid responsibility: "It is their pleasure they care for not the suffering of their ill-starred kin." This is inconsistent because antinatalism is typically rooted in the recognition of suffering and ethical concerns about bringing new life into a world of pain, rather than a pursuit of personal pleasure. Clarifying your stance on pleasure and its relation to antinatalism will strengthen your argument.

Secondly, your views on suffering present an inconsistency. You argue that antinatalists have not suffered enough to appreciate life's value: "It is not that they have suffered, it is that they have not suffered enough." Yet, antinatalists often emphasize the prevalence of suffering as a reason against procreation. Additionally, you share your own experiences of intense suffering leading you to value life more. If suffering increases appreciation for life, as you suggest, then those who have suffered greatly (including antinatalists) might be expected to value life more, not less. Addressing this contradiction will help clarify your position on the relationship between suffering and one's outlook on life.

Thirdly, your use of consent in the argument is inconsistent. You invoke the consent of ancestors who "put up with far worse than we" and question whether they consent to "the extinguishing of their line." However, antinatalists often focus on the lack of consent from potential future beings who cannot agree to be brought into existence and possibly suffer. If consent is a crucial ethical consideration, it should be applied consistently. Reflecting on this point will enhance the ethical coherence of your argument.

Moreover, relying heavily on personal anecdotes to generalize about universal experiences can be problematic. While your personal story of overcoming adversity is powerful, it may not be representative of everyone's experiences. Not all individuals may find meaning or increased appreciation for life through suffering. Acknowledging the diversity of human experiences and perspectives can make your argument more inclusive and persuasive.

Additionally, you propose a scenario where not procreating could lead to a future race that suffers more intensely: "Consider that life... might spawn a new breed, one whose aptitude for agony might far surpass our own... Is it not then our ethical responsibility to ensure this should never happen?"

This speculative argument aims to suggest that continuing to procreate could prevent a worse outcome. However, Antinatalists could counter that the certainty of preventing suffering by not bringing new beings into existence outweighs speculative risks.

Lastly, there is ambiguity in your portrayal of life's value. At times, you assert that life and its rewards are owed to us by virtue of existence: "We are born creditors to this world. Thus, we are owed the universe." At other times, you imply that life is something to be earned through enduring suffering: "I felt I had earned it. I esteemed it." Clarifying whether you view life as an inherent right or as a reward earned through perseverance will help.

Again just my thoughts

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Mr. Raven's avatar

I am anti-natalist for pragmatic reasons.

1. The vast majority of American women are horrible banal materialists with woke tendencies. I am not going to give up a life seeking artistic excellence and peace and quiet in the wilderness to please some banal harpy. I live simply in a retrofitted cottage in the wilderness, yet nicely with very few material goods of high quality. My living room is a music studio, and my spare bedroom where I keep my laser cutter for my paper cut art. The average “educated” American woman can’t wrap her mind around this way of life, and the local girls are fat and stupid.

2. I cannot imagine bringing up a child in the Jew controlled forever war haunted hell world that is 21st century America where I am hated for being a proud rural white man.

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